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<tr><td align='left'>N.C. District:</td><td align='left'>No. 2</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Worker:</td><td align='left'>T. Pat Matthews</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>No. Words:</td><td align='left'>924</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Subject:</td><td align='left'>JOHN SMITH</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Person Interviewed:</td><td align='left'> John Smith</td></tr>
<tr><td align='left'>Editor:</td><td align='left'>G.L. Andrews</td></tr>
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<h2>JOHN SMITH</h2>
<h4>10 Pettigrew St., Raleigh, N.C. Age 77.
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<p>"My mother was named Charlotte Smith and father was named
Richmond Sanders. You know niggers were sold an' traded an'
given away just like stock, horses, mules an' de like in
slavery time.</p>
<p>"My mother belonged to John Smith and father belonged to
Richmond Sanders. I belonged first to John Smith, but was
give away when I was a child to Solomon Gardner. John Smith's
plantation was in Johnston County near Smithfield. Solomon
Gardner's place was in Wake County. All these people are
dead an' gone. My uncle, Ben Thomas, died 'bout one month
ago in Johnston County. He was the last of the old gang.
Mother and father said we got reasonably good food and clothes.
The houses were small and poorly furnished but were warm and
they got on very well. There was 'bout twenty-five slaves on
the place and they worked long hours under overseers.</p>
<p>"The rules were strict about books, goin' visiting an'
having meetings of any kind. No slave was allowed to carry
guns or hunt without some white man with him unless his marster
give him a pass. Dey caught rabbits in gums, birds in traps
an' hunted possums wid dogs at night. Dere was not much time
for fishin' cept at lay-by time and at de Fourth of July. Den<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_278" id="Page_278">[Pg 278]</SPAN></span>
slaves an' whites sometime went fishin' in de Neuse River
together. At Christmas de holidays was give slaves and den
dey had plenty to eat, shoes, etc.</p>
<p>"Slaves were sold at Smithfield on a auction block but
a lot were carried to Richmond, Va. and to Fayetteville, N.C.
Children were not made to work till dey got 12 or 14 years
old unless it was some light work around de house, mindin'
de table, fannin' flies, an' pickin' up chips to start a fire,
scratchin' marster's head so he could sleep in de evenings an'
washin' missus feet at night 'fore she went to bed. Some of
de missus had nigger servants to bathe 'em, wash dere feet
an' fix dere hair. When one nigger would wash de missus feet
dare would be another slave standin' dere wid a towel to dry
'em for her. Some of dese missus atter de war died poor.
Before dey died dey went from place to place livin' on de
charity of dere friends.</p>
<p>"I was born 2nd Sunday in May 1860. I remember seein'
de Yankees but I know very little 'bout 'em. Guess mos'
all dem Yankees are dead now. De ones dat whupped an' de
ones dat got whupped are mos' all dead. I lerned to read
an' write since slavery. I remember de Yankees. Dey give us
chilluns hardtack. Dey had cans on dere backs an' guns, blue
clothes an' brass buttons on dere clothes. Dey had covered<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_279" id="Page_279">[Pg 279]</SPAN></span>
wagons in front an' dey was walkin'. I remember seein' dem
kill a hog and take part of de hog an' carry it off on dere
backs.</p>
<p>"De only time I saw anything in de slave situation dat
made a big impression on my mind was when Marster Thomas tied
my Aunt Anne Thomas to a peach tree and whupped her. I will
never forgit how she cried. Another thing I 'members, my
uncle teached me to cuss folks. His name was Needum Thomas.
I can remember fore I could walk better than I can remember
happenings now.</p>
<p>"Atter de war my daddy took mother an' moved to Dr.
Leach's in Wake County, next year we went to Mrs. Betsy
Jordan's plantation in Johnston County. The fourth year atter
the war they put me to work. We stayed with the Jordans
several years then we moved to Mr. Thomas' where my aunt was
whupped in slavery time an' de marster dat owned some of our
people in slavery time. We stayed there a few years. Then we
moved to John Avery's near Smithfield. Father bought a place
there an' paid for it.</p>
<p>"Father believed in whuppin like de white folks did. He
cut de blood out of me wid a switch an' scarred me up an' I
left him. When I was twenty-one, a free man, I went back an'
paid father for every day I was away from him from de time I
ran away at 16 years old till I was twenty-one. I owed him
dat 'cause I was his until I was free. I believes dat is why
God has allowed me to live such a long time, 'cause I paid a<span class="pagenum"><SPAN name="Page_280" id="Page_280">[Pg 280]</SPAN></span>
just debt. Daddy said before he died I had done more for him
dan de other chilluns. He whupped me too much but atter all
he was my father an' I loved him an' paid him all I owed him
for de time I was away.</p>
<p>"I married three times in Raleigh. I married Juliva Smith,
she lived one and one half years. We had one child dat lived
six days. I have no more chilluns. I married Mahalda Rand.
She lived a year and three months and the third an' last time
I married Maggie Taylor. I lived with her eleven years an'
she died. I am single now.</p>
<p>"Haywood Smith was my first father-in-law. He is 'bout
108 years ole. He lives at de County home.</p>
<p>"I am livin' right in dis world tryin' to be ready when
God calls me. Slavery was bad. Workin' the colored people
over two hundred years without giving 'em anything but dere
food an' clothes. Yes slavery was bad."</p>
<p>LE</p>
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