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<h2> BOOK IV. </h2>
<p>Here Adeimantus interposed a question: How would you answer, Socrates,
said he, if a person were to say that you are making these people
miserable, and that they are the cause of their own unhappiness; the city
in fact belongs to them, but they are none the better for it; whereas
other men acquire lands, and build large and handsome houses, and have
everything handsome about them, offering sacrifices to the gods on their
own account, and practising hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just
now, they have gold and silver, and all that is usual among the favourites
of fortune; but our poor citizens are no better than mercenaries who are
quartered in the city and are always mounting guard?</p>
<p>Yes, I said; and you may add that they are only fed, and not paid in
addition to their food, like other men; and therefore they cannot, if they
would, take a journey of pleasure; they have no money to spend on a
mistress or any other luxurious fancy, which, as the world goes, is
thought to be happiness; and many other accusations of the same nature
might be added.</p>
<p>But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.</p>
<p>You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>If we proceed along the old path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find
the answer. And our answer will be that, even as they are, our guardians
may very likely be the happiest of men; but that our aim in founding the
State was not the disproportionate happiness of any one class, but the
greatest happiness of the whole; we thought that in a State which is
ordered with a view to the good of the whole we should be most likely to
find justice, and in the ill-ordered State injustice: and, having found
them, we might then decide which of the two is the happier. At present, I
take it, we are fashioning the happy State, not piecemeal, or with a view
of making a few happy citizens, but as a whole; and by-and-by we will
proceed to view the opposite kind of State. Suppose that we were painting
a statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most
beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes
ought to be purple, but you have made them black—to him we might
fairly answer, Sir, you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such
a degree that they are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving
this and the other features their due proportion, we make the whole
beautiful. And so I say to you, do not compel us to assign to the
guardians a sort of happiness which will make them anything but guardians;
for we too can clothe our husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of
gold on their heads, and bid them till the ground as much as they like,
and no more. Our potters also might be allowed to repose on couches, and
feast by the fireside, passing round the winecup, while their wheel is
conveniently at hand, and working at pottery only as much as they like; in
this way we might make every class happy—and then, as you imagine,
the whole State would be happy. But do not put this idea into our heads;
for, if we listen to you, the husbandman will be no longer a husbandman,
the potter will cease to be a potter, and no one will have the character
of any distinct class in the State. Now this is not of much consequence
where the corruption of society, and pretension to be what you are not, is
confined to cobblers; but when the guardians of the laws and of the
government are only seeming and not real guardians, then see how they turn
the State upside down; and on the other hand they alone have the power of
giving order and happiness to the State. We mean our guardians to be true
saviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas our opponent is
thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of revelry,
not of citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we mean
different things, and he is speaking of something which is not a State.
And therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we
would look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this
principle of happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But
if the latter be the truth, then the guardians and auxiliaries, and all
others equally with them, must be compelled or induced to do their own
work in the best way. And thus the whole State will grow up in a noble
order, and the several classes will receive the proportion of happiness
which nature assigns to them.</p>
<p>I think that you are quite right.</p>
<p>I wonder whether you will agree with another remark which occurs to me.</p>
<p>What may that be?</p>
<p>There seem to be two causes of the deterioration of the arts.</p>
<p>What are they?</p>
<p>Wealth, I said, and poverty.</p>
<p>How do they act?</p>
<p>The process is as follows: When a potter becomes rich, will he, think you,
any longer take the same pains with his art?</p>
<p>Certainly not.</p>
<p>He will grow more and more indolent and careless?</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?</p>
<p>Yes; he greatly deteriorates.</p>
<p>But, on the other hand, if he has no money, and cannot provide himself
with tools or instruments, he will not work equally well himself, nor will
he teach his sons or apprentices to work equally well.</p>
<p>Certainly not.</p>
<p>Then, under the influence either of poverty or of wealth, workmen and
their work are equally liable to degenerate?</p>
<p>That is evident.</p>
<p>Here, then, is a discovery of new evils, I said, against which the
guardians will have to watch, or they will creep into the city unobserved.</p>
<p>What evils?</p>
<p>Wealth, I said, and poverty; the one is the parent of luxury and
indolence, and the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of
discontent.</p>
<p>That is very true, he replied; but still I should like to know, Socrates,
how our city will be able to go to war, especially against an enemy who is
rich and powerful, if deprived of the sinews of war.</p>
<p>There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied, in going to war with one
such enemy; but there is no difficulty where there are two of them.</p>
<p>How so? he asked.</p>
<p>In the first place, I said, if we have to fight, our side will be trained
warriors fighting against an army of rich men.</p>
<p>That is true, he said.</p>
<p>And do you not suppose, Adeimantus, that a single boxer who was perfect in
his art would easily be a match for two stout and well-to-do gentlemen who
were not boxers?</p>
<p>Hardly, if they came upon him at once.</p>
<p>What, now, I said, if he were able to run away and then turn and strike at
the one who first came up? And supposing he were to do this several times
under the heat of a scorching sun, might he not, being an expert, overturn
more than one stout personage?</p>
<p>Certainly, he said, there would be nothing wonderful in that.</p>
<p>And yet rich men probably have a greater superiority in the science and
practise of boxing than they have in military qualities.</p>
<p>Likely enough.</p>
<p>Then we may assume that our athletes will be able to fight with two or
three times their own number?</p>
<p>I agree with you, for I think you right.</p>
<p>And suppose that, before engaging, our citizens send an embassy to one of
the two cities, telling them what is the truth: Silver and gold we neither
have nor are permitted to have, but you may; do you therefore come and
help us in war, and take the spoils of the other city: Who, on hearing
these words, would choose to fight against lean wiry dogs, rather than,
with the dogs on their side, against fat and tender sheep?</p>
<p>That is not likely; and yet there might be a danger to the poor State if
the wealth of many States were to be gathered into one.</p>
<p>But how simple of you to use the term State at all of any but our own!</p>
<p>Why so?</p>
<p>You ought to speak of other States in the plural number; not one of them
is a city, but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed any city,
however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the
other of the rich; these are at war with one another; and in either there
are many smaller divisions, and you would be altogether beside the mark if
you treated them all as a single State. But if you deal with them as many,
and give the wealth or power or persons of the one to the others, you will
always have a great many friends and not many enemies. And your State,
while the wise order which has now been prescribed continues to prevail in
her, will be the greatest of States, I do not mean to say in reputation or
appearance, but in deed and truth, though she number not more than a
thousand defenders. A single State which is her equal you will hardly
find, either among Hellenes or barbarians, though many that appear to be
as great and many times greater.</p>
<p>That is most true, he said.</p>
<p>And what, I said, will be the best limit for our rulers to fix when they
are considering the size of the State and the amount of territory which
they are to include, and beyond which they will not go?</p>
<p>What limit would you propose?</p>
<p>I would allow the State to increase so far as is consistent with unity;
that, I think, is the proper limit.</p>
<p>Very good, he said.</p>
<p>Here then, I said, is another order which will have to be conveyed to our
guardians: Let our city be accounted neither large nor small, but one and
self-sufficing.</p>
<p>And surely, said he, this is not a very severe order which we impose upon
them.</p>
<p>And the other, said I, of which we were speaking before is lighter still,—I
mean the duty of degrading the offspring of the guardians when inferior,
and of elevating into the rank of guardians the offspring of the lower
classes, when naturally superior. The intention was, that, in the case of
the citizens generally, each individual should be put to the use for which
nature intended him, one to one work, and then every man would do his own
business, and be one and not many; and so the whole city would be one and
not many.</p>
<p>Yes, he said; that is not so difficult.</p>
<p>The regulations which we are prescribing, my good Adeimantus, are not, as
might be supposed, a number of great principles, but trifles all, if care
be taken, as the saying is, of the one great thing,—a thing,
however, which I would rather call, not great, but sufficient for our
purpose.</p>
<p>What may that be? he asked.</p>
<p>Education, I said, and nurture: If our citizens are well educated, and
grow into sensible men, they will easily see their way through all these,
as well as other matters which I omit; such, for example, as marriage, the
possession of women and the procreation of children, which will all follow
the general principle that friends have all things in common, as the
proverb says.</p>
<p>That will be the best way of settling them.</p>
<p>Also, I said, the State, if once started well, moves with accumulating
force like a wheel. For good nurture and education implant good
constitutions, and these good constitutions taking root in a good
education improve more and more, and this improvement affects the breed in
man as in other animals.</p>
<p>Very possibly, he said.</p>
<p>Then to sum up: This is the point to which, above all, the attention of
our rulers should be directed,—that music and gymnastic be preserved
in their original form, and no innovation made. They must do their utmost
to maintain them intact. And when any one says that mankind most regard</p>
<p>'The newest song which the singers have,'</p>
<p>they will be afraid that he may be praising, not new songs, but a new kind
of song; and this ought not to be praised, or conceived to be the meaning
of the poet; for any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole
State, and ought to be prohibited. So Damon tells me, and I can quite
believe him;—he says that when modes of music change, the
fundamental laws of the State always change with them.</p>
<p>Yes, said Adeimantus; and you may add my suffrage to Damon's and your own.</p>
<p>Then, I said, our guardians must lay the foundations of their fortress in
music?</p>
<p>Yes, he said; the lawlessness of which you speak too easily steals in.</p>
<p>Yes, I replied, in the form of amusement; and at first sight it appears
harmless.</p>
<p>Why, yes, he said, and there is no harm; were it not that little by little
this spirit of licence, finding a home, imperceptibly penetrates into
manners and customs; whence, issuing with greater force, it invades
contracts between man and man, and from contracts goes on to laws and
constitutions, in utter recklessness, ending at last, Socrates, by an
overthrow of all rights, private as well as public.</p>
<p>Is that true? I said.</p>
<p>That is my belief, he replied.</p>
<p>Then, as I was saying, our youth should be trained from the first in a
stricter system, for if amusements become lawless, and the youths
themselves become lawless, they can never grow up into well-conducted and
virtuous citizens.</p>
<p>Very true, he said.</p>
<p>And when they have made a good beginning in play, and by the help of music
have gained the habit of good order, then this habit of order, in a manner
how unlike the lawless play of the others! will accompany them in all
their actions and be a principle of growth to them, and if there be any
fallen places in the State will raise them up again.</p>
<p>Very true, he said.</p>
<p>Thus educated, they will invent for themselves any lesser rules which
their predecessors have altogether neglected.</p>
<p>What do you mean?</p>
<p>I mean such things as these:—when the young are to be silent before
their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making
them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be
worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general.
You would agree with me?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>But there is, I think, small wisdom in legislating about such matters,—I
doubt if it is ever done; nor are any precise written enactments about
them likely to be lasting.</p>
<p>Impossible.</p>
<p>It would seem, Adeimantus, that the direction in which education starts a
man, will determine his future life. Does not like always attract like?</p>
<p>To be sure.</p>
<p>Until some one rare and grand result is reached which may be good, and may
be the reverse of good?</p>
<p>That is not to be denied.</p>
<p>And for this reason, I said, I shall not attempt to legislate further
about them.</p>
<p>Naturally enough, he replied.</p>
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